Technique Questions

so, Mariko's thing is a class change up to a human based demon?

Lol! You make some funny-ass assumptions, Kyro. I got nothing against Kaz, this is in no way a retaliation to anything, the question's been on my mind even before the incident with Mariko. I just happened to find myself on the right thread so I figured I might as well slip it in. Just a member with a concern, and you could have been more friendly about it. However, I see you're still lacking in courtesy. But, I guess you've answered my question, I can't help that you take enjoyment in being a smartass.

Half of my rps are as a cat until I earned my human form again, and Ive been a human ever since

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Dual Wield (Passive)
TEXP: 1
Allows the user to shoot two hand guns at once with relative skill depending on level of Pistol Play.

hmm by reading this it sounds like this should be one of the few passive skills that doesn't need a rank as it cleary says that it depends on Pistol Play or am I just miss reading that?

Someone may want to tell rune that b/c he has trained it up to mastered.

Next question of the day is most likely just for shin. What is the OK time for a summon... like they areally can't die can they b/c if they can then why would a demon put up with a human telling them what to do all of the time.

that was the first thing that I did.. my intro rp was the ascension quest, and then I did the transformation into a human form

Well, if this is true, then I request to have the rank removed to another tech.

@ sexy - nah, you didn't do the ascension quest. ur first update was https://wotr.rpg-board.net/site-updates-f48/main-updates-thread-t177-450.htm#10689, which was the spiritual impression quest. i guess get that done sometime soon in like a flashback or somethin. yall can continue w/ur current rp tho.
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@rekwon - it's a curse, they gotta

Alright, I was looking at Ingel's bio and since the issue was brought up with duel wield, I need to get some others cleared up as well. Ingel has; Quick Reload (Trained), Running Shot (Trained), and Diving Shot (Trained). I was wondering if these needed to be ranked up, or if they don't need to be...

does the description say they're based on pistolplay?

No, Dual Wield is the only MWP tech that says it is based on Pistol Play level.

Yeah, its the only one, so I gotta rank up the rest of them to have them better? o.o

yush

Regarding Combine techs, if the affinity's one of the two packages needed, does that half the stamina of the combine techs?

Also, for customs, if the custom is considered to be in one's affinity, does that reduce the 14 TEXP requirement by half as well?

Regarding Combine techs, if the affinity's one of the two packages needed, does that half the stamina of the combine techs?
reduces stamina 1/4

Also, for customs, if the custom is considered to be in one's affinity, does that reduce the 14 TEXP requirement by half as well?
however psyre did his. i'll have to go back and look

Okay.

And pending on that last bit?

I am pretty sure Psyre's Texp was halved for the custom Seer tech. If the main update board was available I would have posted a definite answer this morning.

Sounds reasonable. And if it wasn't the case, it should be. ;D

then that works. i doubt kaz would pay full for anything and surreal's "pretty sure"s are good enough for me

why in the world would something (woylf) with those stats be carrying a sword?... that's just dumb xD

Psi_Prince wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense to be capped at Destructive/Supreme level?
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i like that

Wouldn't it make more sense to be capped at Destructive/Supreme level?
Ok, so what happens if someone attains Destructive level guard? They'd be untouchable if no attacks can ever do more than Destructive level damage. What about the people who attain 200% health? They can take a destructive level hit and still be standing, despite the fact that a building presumably would not be. And if it's so easy to kill people why has nobody died on this site who hasn't committed suicide?
And from my experience several-hit kills make for longer arguments *coughThisSitecough*. At least you're only debating one post.
I think Kyro's idea made more sense, as it solves the problems mentioned above. If someone had destructive level guard and they get hit by an attack higher than that, they take the surplus.

Kitsu wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense to be capped at Destructive/Supreme level?
Ok, so what happens if someone attains Destructive level guard? They'd be untouchable if no attacks can ever do more than Destructive level damage. What about the people who attain 200% health? They can take a destructive level hit and still be standing, despite the fact that a building presumably would not be. And if it's so easy to kill people why has nobody died on this site who hasn't committed suicide?
And from my experience several-hit kills make for longer arguments *coughThisSitecough*. At least you're only debating one post.
I think Kyro's idea made more sense, as it solves the problems mentioned above. If someone had destructive level guard and they get hit by an attack higher than that, they take the surplus.

First off, they can only hit Ascended base stats ONCE per month, so other than that, they have Strong stats... like Expirs, Vaspires, Demons, Adv Yokai... then factor in Toughness and you've got 5 classes that ALL have Ascended Guard... so how do you overcome that? "Attacks of opportunity" or undefended attacks are counted as critical hits I believe, so if you can distract them, sneak attack them, or bind/trap them even for a turn to get off a free attack, you hit them with a Fierce attack and you've already removed 75% HP... Also, remember that Poison isn't based on defense I don't believe since it's not an attack, it's a status effect.

Why has no one died? Simple... you can die if you don't fight... and the few fights haven't been to leave someone dead. Lance died once though and he had Strong stats + 180 or 200% Health. That's actually another strategy to use too... make them run out of stamina they start dipping into health.

What you seem to be overlooking is that this Destructive+ works against non-Destructive Guard opponents as well meaning that you can potentially one-hit a non-Full moon wolyf being an ascended demon (Strong stats) using Unwetting Rayne (+4) wielding a sword (+2) using a sword attack (+3-5) = +9-11... is the problem clearly presented? +4 advantage is 100%... then what would +7 or 8 equal? Also, it is possible (IC-speaking) for an attack that would take out a building to not kill an individual... then again, considering that the only techs that could deal the amount of damage we're talking about are physical melee or weapon techs, most of them aren't set as area affect moves.

There might be more to say, but this has been sitting in my post window for two days.

Kitsu wrote:

I suppose I should have an example of someone who would have Destructive level defense and 200% HP...
A woylf with Defense package @ affinity + perfected
Not even getting into if he had some sort of heal/regen skill...

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First off, they can only hit Ascended base stats ONCE per month Irrelevant, as they can still fight during that once a month.

Why has no one died? Simple... you can die if you don't fight... I know this. It was a rhetorical question. It must be hard to kill people if nobody ever fights. Lance... You do realize Lance was going out of his way to take your attacks and doesn't know how to fight, right? Give Kyro or anybody else an NPC with that same set of stats and see if they goes down so easily.

What you seem to be overlooking is that this Destructive+ works against non-Destructive Guard opponents as well meaning that you can potentially one-hit a non-Full moon wolyf being an ascended demon (Strong stats) using Unwetting Rayne (+4) wielding a sword (+2) using a sword attack (+3-5) = +9-11... is the problem clearly presented? Your math is off. It'd be Unwetting rain with a melee tech (+3) OR Bushido, which does go off of your strength +2 (+5) OR a sword tech, which does not go off of your strength stat (+2-4), meaning your max would be +5, 125% damage. Assuming the other person had Strong strength and blocked your sword with his body, assuming he wasn't wearing armor, you'd be dealing with five minus two or +3, which is 75%. If the other person failed to block without armor or had low stats, how much damage the attack did, as Kyro said, is irrelevant, because they essentially took a destructive level attack unguarded, unless they have defensive package, wherein it becomes relevant again because they have more than 100% HP, in which case they would be reduced to 75% if they had futeki mastered. Anyways you can't stack a plain sword attack with a fancy sword attack in one strike, so you'll have to present another example, if you would be so kind.

Psi_Prince wrote:

Side Notes to Shin: There are multiple Weapon Melee techs that don't have a damage rating or are they enhancement techs like you'd unlock and use that tech with a tech with a damage rating... like should Passing Slash have a damage rating or would you combo passing slash with Sonic Blade or Bushido's base dmg?

dmg is based on user's swordstyle dmg rating. so if they got bushido, then it's based on w/e bushido hits for, etc.

Well, yes, a lot of these things are pending revision, but...

Psi_Prince wrote:

Stats: Still, like I said... Average is +1 on the basis that the target has Weak Def. I'm not seeing where on that battle page excerpt it says that the scale changes when you graduate from weak guard, so that leaves me to assume the numbers are the same regardless of your defense. Average Value of 2 - Weak Value of 1 = +1. This should be Average (+1) - Weak (+0) = Average (+1). So we're saying similar things here. We really are, but it's one of those technicalities. Your numbers are correct for Weak defense but not against any other defense. It's the same across the board, basically to make accommodations for what would happen if someone's guard was equal to the attack, for example: Strong attack (+2) - Strong guard (+2) = Weak damage (+0) or 10%. If the scale was the way you said then Average - Weak would equal Average damage, but Average - Average would equal nothing, there'd be no way to get to weak damage other than to do a weak attack against someone not blocking. Also, if they don't/can't defend then you don't even factor in weak defense (thus the reason weak is +0 on the scale and not +1. There's no such thing as weak defense really, you can start blocking at average) and the full amount of dmg is taken by the target.

I will agree that magic is easier to connect with, but the issue that arises is that several classes can simply put up their arms to block and most of the damage is soaked up like that. Well, since the battle page says,

"If it is a magix attack where the attack is larger than your weapon, then you still take damage and at most halved if much of the concentration of the attack can be displaced."

I would argue if the tech description says "Tornado of water that surrounds and engulfs a target," or "Molten fire runs from the base of a user and runs along the ground, swirls to surrounds an area, raises up and then crashes down from above," or "Projects an invisible beam that, if hit, creates a void inside a target, visible dark orbs are extracted from the target dealing internal damage," your arms alone would fail to displace the concentration of the attack, and it would simply fail to be a critical hit. You can block a little fireball with your arms, yes, but your defense only counts as half what it would against a sword if you're using decent magix techs. With physical, yes you have to be humanoid but aside from the wolyf, all the rest of the classes are undeniably humanoid. Which, depending on whether your a kami or an oni, magix based or physical based, willing to get close to your opponent/rely on a sword in exchange for less stamina drain for higher damage, or stay back and snipe/use techs that drain more stamina for less damage in exchange for better chances of hitting, may or may not be an advantage. Kamihume takes stamina, whereas Onihume doesn't, which would also factor into someone's strategy. That's why I used Ascended demons instead of all demons since there's Onihume and Kamihume.

This was very civil and I actually learned different mistakes that I had been making. Yea, this discussion was pretty cool. Cleared up some misconceptions I had too because it forced me to go back and look at Da Rulez. So now it's just a matter of Shin ruling on all of this... wonder how long that'll take... he might get to it around the same time one of your main characters gives all his possessions to the poor and moves to a monastery for a life of poverty and celibacy.

believe it or not, i wanna restrict how much i cap ppl. let's go w/uncapped for now and if that gives me issues, we'll switch to capped

Ok I got a question...

Its seems that if I stay a Yokai and get my second more powerful form that I can not get a human form. For the human form seems resricted to Onikonjou and Kamikonjou

So I know I might be asking for a lot. But is it possible to get the Yokai second form and then go on to become either a Onikonjou or Kamikonjou and get human form then?

those are classes changes. takes ya from one class to another. so you can prob do that, but you lose the yokai stuff. think that's right ^_o

So basicly...No lol thanks for the quick reply

target's supposed to support someone other than urself
i've had a few ppl ask if they can target themselves, etc
it's gonna be specified better w/the update

Ah.
Would that include the other techniques in the support package as well? More pointedly, the area affecting ones: Unwetting Rayne and Sakura Shower. Does it affect the caster as well?

ya, my vision for support was t' support others

Question on Darken. As it says it turn's the area's day into night, could this work to transform Woylfs, Night Seers, or Vaspires into their stronger forms? And day seers into their weaker? Or is it strictly for visual effect?